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Greetings Everyone,
I’d like to announce a major change in the show point structure for all IBC shows and Areas. The rational for these changes is in keeping of International shows valued higher than District or Certified shows.
There is an Area option of combining both District and International shows but only Area 7 is exercising this option at this time.
The following are the new point values. These will take effect for each Areas new show year. Area 1 and Area 6 are incorporating these new values in their current show years.
Award Point Summary
Points are given for 1st 2nd 3rd
Certified show: 10 5 0
District show: 15 10 5
International show: 20 15 10District Convention: 25 15 10
Area Convention: 30 20 15
IBC Convention: 30 20 15For International Point Shows:
Group A:
Best of Show Male/Female: 100
Reserve Best of Show Male/Female: 80
Best of Variety: Male/Female: 40
Reserve Best of Variety: (optional): 30For International Point Shows:
Group B:
Best of Show Male/Female: 50
Reserve Best of Show Male/Female: 30For District Point Shows: (optional):
Best of Show: Male/Female: 40
Reserve Best of Show Male/Female: 20For Certified Shows:
Best of Show: 10
Reserve Best of Show: 5For General /Area Convention:
Group A:
Best of Show Male/Female: 125
Reserve Best of Show Male/Female: 100Group B:
Best of Show Male/Female: 60
Reserve Best of Show: 40If you have any questions or concerns feel free to contact me.
Wishing Everyone success in your fish exhibition endeavors. Thank you for participating in our show circuits.
Regards,
David Spector
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Was 3rd place for Local/Certified shows changed to 2 points?
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Yes, is the 0 for 3rd place a mistake?
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Changes for the new show year 2019-2020, or this spring already?
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If we combine the International and District shows, are the District shows open for everyone?
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It was changed at Aurelia’s suggestion to 2 points, despite her having voted for a new points structure at that currently posted value.
An updated list needs to be posted. That would be on me for not thinking of doing so. This is for Certified shows. I believe the current name for “Certified” show is “Local” show. I believe that was also Aurelia’s suggestion.
Updates from the JB are lacking. This is an issue that is currently being addressed.
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I’m forwarding correspondence to all entrants from this year explaining the proposal. Depending on the details agreed to it is possible it could be incorporated this year. Watch your inbox. Comments regarding the proposal might be better to post here than have an group e-mail dialog.
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District shows would be open to everyone. The rule excluding non-IBC members from Year End awards was changed a couple years back, before the current JB.
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If District show points are going to be counted towards Area Championships then at they should be at least open to all members within the area. The rules do say a club can limit the total number of entries due to equipment….so ‘the first 100″ or limit number of entries per entrant. Until now I think District shows have been able to prioritize members within the district. In reality that has never been a problem since District shows are smaller than international.
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I think too we are rushing a little and I agree with Aurelia to wait for the new show year. The class list of international and local shows should be the same.
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How would Canada and Mexico handle there local shows? Either way for US to ship to other countries or Canada, Mexico and Cuba shipping to US isn’t possible without transhipper. Maybe there is a way I don’t know about?
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There were exhibitors with Area Championship points who specifically did not show at the Canada and South Florida shows because they understood no points would be awarded. Personally I think any changes should go into affect with the new show year.
The District class list does have a place for every class on the Area list, but this would be the time to better align the two lists.
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Sieg
So I’m not confused when you say “local”, do you mean “District”?
When Mexico started hosting Int’l shows, Luis Navarrow said there wasn’t a way to get US fish there. So we have a situation where because of an International boarder, we can’t participate in those shows to pursue Year End.
I have wondered how Aquabid fish get into Mexico. Transshiper’s are advertised on Asian sellers auctions. My understanding is International shipping involves transshiper’s.
So far, the Canadian hosting group I think receives fish on the US side and drives them across. I’d need someone to tell me. This is what we did many years ago for a show in British Columbia. A group would have to be close to the border.
It think it would be great to be able for everyone in A1 to send to all shows if they chose using this option.
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Sorry I meant District for Local shows. Yes, I showed in Canada already and the fish get picked up in US and hand carried over, but no return as Aurelia said.
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Local show does not refer to District. It is the new name for “certified’ shows. Many new people questioned why Certified shows were the ones that did not require Certified Judges. And in other languages they have used the term “Local”, so Area 1 made the change.
Canada shows are close to the US border, so they have a solution of being able to drive fish across. And Like Canada, people can drive their own personal fish to Mexico and back. But the shows in Mexico are 10 hours from the border. There was hope for Monterrey, which is only 90 minutes from the border, but that has fizzled. I think there is a Canadian member who carries mail-ins across the border, but no return. Everyone is more cautious about the Mexican border. Back when they were considering a convention, they thought about people flying down to the US side, then taking a charter bus to the convention site 10 hours away. That way each person would be transporting their own fish. But that idea was abandoned as impractical, and still with potential of problems. Other ideas like shipping to someone on the border, then that person taking them across also put that person in jeopardy and the Mexican mail system does not officially allow fish shipping and thus unmarked boxes would not be as protected or guaranteed to arrive by a time limit. So they had to give the idea up.
They have received entries once or twice from Asia, and I think they do use trans-shippers for that, but the licensing seems to be different. They said it would cost $1500. US dollars and no-one down there has that kind of money.
I think eventually, if they continue to grow and host shows, that it will make sense for Mexico to become their own Area, but until they have more active clubs, I think things will stay as they are.
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Yes we as the Canadian chapter can accept fish from the USA and some international countries. Our local transhipper is friendly to the club and has made arrangements with enough notice.
A chapter member who lives close to the boarder drives across picks the fish up and goes through customs where we pay to get the fish across. Last time we paid duty on the fish the year before it was not as many and we did not have to. It still a long process that can last hours.
International fish comming to Canada are one way as they will not be sent back due to the USA rules.
As for canadians showing in the USA there are no good solutions at this time…..
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It seem to be not fair for some chapters like the Canada one to compete for points for GC.
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I agree with Sieg, it seems unfair; if I understand correctly what he is saying. There may be an unfair advantage for the Canadian and Mexican shows if there are limited entries. I recall seeing one Canadian show results where it appeared that just by entering fish you were guaranteed to place; few overall entries.
There are Aquabid fish going into these countries, why not IBC show fish?
Right now, Mexican Int’l shows are being held with their points counting toward year end. When you review the results, you find that few long finned fish are being entered. It seems like an unfair advantage for those members. But then can we say the Mexican members are not allowed shows without points? That also seems unfair.
I would like to see an ideal situation of all fish throughout North America being able to compete at all shows. I may have “pie in the sky” aspirations. I ask again: what can we do to make this happen?
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Mexico-Canada-USA-Cuba mailing issues are the same ones other Areas have. In Mexico fish cannot be mailed internally either. However with both Mexico and Canada, fish can be driven across the border. Anyway, unless IBC is willing to have each country do its own thing instead of by Area, then changes could be made. Right now a couple members from Mexico may show up in Dallas. That would be great – just like when members from Canada come to convention.
The same problem exists in Area 2. Fish are not mailed. Exhibitors end up getting their fish to friends who are attending the show. Or they pay a long distance bus driver to drive them to the friend.
This is a world-wide issue and Areas work their way around the problems. As long as we want to keep the Areas intact, then we need to accept the problems and deal with them.
I just tried to find the conversation I had with someone in Mexico about transshipping. I do not know how it works in Canada. What I remember in Mexico is that the transhipper buys a license separately for different countries. And it was going to cost $300 for one direction and $1000. for the other. The local transhipper does a lot of business from Asia, but very little from the USA which has its own transhippers. It would cost way too much for the handful of people who may or may not show from the US. And there is no way for them to ship to the USA since the Mexican mail system does not allow live fish. That is what I remember of the conversation. And current politics does not portend well about any future changes in the cross border shipping system.
Since there are more shows in the USA than in Canada or Mexico or Cuba, it does not have a significant impact in the top 10 standings….I hope a couple from those countries make it into the top 10. There is no way they could accumulate enough points to get to the top without coming to the USA and showing here for multiple shows……an expense they cannot afford.
Years ago Steve Saunders from Canada was in the top 2. He did this by mailing fish to one show and having them send on to the net show if it was only 2 weeks apart. I believe the rules have changed to prohibit that.
So, the country with the most shows will dominate an Area. In the olden days, when the show circuit was just USA, people said the same thing about districts – the Midwest was dominant them because 6 of 12 shows were in Ohio, Indiana, Tennessee, Illinois, Iowa. The Breeders would walk in with fish – and back then there was no cap on entries per person. So if Randy Barney or Riley Barnett or Chuck Hale showed 75 to 100 fish, it ws to their advantage to have shows they could drive to. People from California or Florida who had to mail just could not afford to ship as many.
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