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  • David & Monica S
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    Greetings Everyone,

    I’d like to announce a major change in the show point structure for all IBC shows and Areas. The rational for these changes is in keeping of International shows valued higher than District or Certified shows.

    There is an Area option of combining both District and International shows but only Area 7 is exercising this option at this time.

    The following are the new point values. These will take effect for each Areas new show year. Area 1 and Area 6 are incorporating these new values in their current show years.

    Award Point Summary

    Points are given for 1st 2nd 3rd

    Certified show: 10 5 0
    District show: 15 10 5
    International show: 20 15 10

    District Convention: 25 15 10
    Area Convention: 30 20 15
    IBC Convention: 30 20 15

    For International Point Shows:
    Group A:
    Best of Show Male/Female: 100
    Reserve Best of Show Male/Female: 80
    Best of Variety: Male/Female: 40
    Reserve Best of Variety: (optional): 30

    For International Point Shows:
    Group B:
    Best of Show Male/Female: 50
    Reserve Best of Show Male/Female: 30

    For District Point Shows: (optional):
    Best of Show: Male/Female: 40
    Reserve Best of Show Male/Female: 20

    For Certified Shows:
    Best of Show: 10
    Reserve Best of Show: 5

    For General /Area Convention:
    Group A:
    Best of Show Male/Female: 125
    Reserve Best of Show Male/Female: 100

    Group B:
    Best of Show Male/Female: 60
    Reserve Best of Show: 40

    If you have any questions or concerns feel free to contact me.

    Wishing Everyone success in your fish exhibition endeavors. Thank you for participating in our show circuits.

    Regards,

    David Spector
    Judging Board Registrar / Co-Chair

    Aurelia Ogles
    Participant
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    Was 3rd place for Local/Certified shows changed to 2 points?

    Siegbert & Judy I
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    Post count: 61

    Changes for the new show year 2019-2020, or this spring already?
    Is Group B new Breeder?

    Siegbert & Judy I
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    Post count: 61

    If we combine the International and District shows, are the District shows open for everyone?

    Siegbert & Judy I
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    Post count: 61

    Yes, is the 0 for 3rd place a mistake?

    David & Monica S
    Participant
    Post count: 244

    It was changed at Aurelia’s suggestion to 2 points, despite her having voted for a new points structure at that currently posted value.

    An updated list needs to be posted. That would be on me for not thinking of doing so. This is for Certified shows. I believe the current name for “Certified” show is “Local” show. I believe that was also Aurelia’s suggestion.

    Updates from the JB are lacking. This is an issue that is currently being addressed.

    David & Monica S
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    Post count: 244

    I’m forwarding correspondence to all entrants from this year explaining the proposal. Depending on the details agreed to it is possible it could be incorporated this year. Watch your inbox. Comments regarding the proposal might be better to post here than have an group e-mail dialog.

    David & Monica S
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    District shows would be open to everyone. The rule excluding non-IBC members from Year End awards was changed a couple years back, before the current JB.

    Aurelia Ogles
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    If District show points are going to be counted towards Area Championships then at they should be at least open to all members within the area. The rules do say a club can limit the total number of entries due to equipment….so ‘the first 100″ or limit number of entries per entrant. Until now I think District shows have been able to prioritize members within the district. In reality that has never been a problem since District shows are smaller than international.

    Aurelia Ogles
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    Post count: 231

    There were exhibitors with Area Championship points who specifically did not show at the Canada and South Florida shows because they understood no points would be awarded. Personally I think any changes should go into affect with the new show year.

    The District class list does have a place for every class on the Area list, but this would be the time to better align the two lists.

    Siegbert & Judy I
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    Post count: 61

    I think too we are rushing a little and I agree with Aurelia to wait for the new show year. The class list of international and local shows should be the same.

    Siegbert & Judy I
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    How would Canada and Mexico handle there local shows? Either way for US to ship to other countries or Canada, Mexico and Cuba shipping to US isn’t possible without transhipper. Maybe there is a way I don’t know about?

    David & Monica S
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    Post count: 244

    Sieg

    So I’m not confused when you say “local”, do you mean “District”?

    When Mexico started hosting Int’l shows, Luis Navarrow said there wasn’t a way to get US fish there. So we have a situation where because of an International boarder, we can’t participate in those shows to pursue Year End.

    I have wondered how Aquabid fish get into Mexico. Transshiper’s are advertised on Asian sellers auctions. My understanding is International shipping involves transshiper’s.

    So far, the Canadian hosting group I think receives fish on the US side and drives them across. I’d need someone to tell me. This is what we did many years ago for a show in British Columbia. A group would have to be close to the border.

    It think it would be great to be able for everyone in A1 to send to all shows if they chose using this option.

    Aurelia Ogles
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    Local show does not refer to District. It is the new name for “certified’ shows. Many new people questioned why Certified shows were the ones that did not require Certified Judges. And in other languages they have used the term “Local”, so Area 1 made the change.

    Canada shows are close to the US border, so they have a solution of being able to drive fish across. And Like Canada, people can drive their own personal fish to Mexico and back. But the shows in Mexico are 10 hours from the border. There was hope for Monterrey, which is only 90 minutes from the border, but that has fizzled. I think there is a Canadian member who carries mail-ins across the border, but no return. Everyone is more cautious about the Mexican border. Back when they were considering a convention, they thought about people flying down to the US side, then taking a charter bus to the convention site 10 hours away. That way each person would be transporting their own fish. But that idea was abandoned as impractical, and still with potential of problems. Other ideas like shipping to someone on the border, then that person taking them across also put that person in jeopardy and the Mexican mail system does not officially allow fish shipping and thus unmarked boxes would not be as protected or guaranteed to arrive by a time limit. So they had to give the idea up.

    They have received entries once or twice from Asia, and I think they do use trans-shippers for that, but the licensing seems to be different. They said it would cost $1500. US dollars and no-one down there has that kind of money.

    I think eventually, if they continue to grow and host shows, that it will make sense for Mexico to become their own Area, but until they have more active clubs, I think things will stay as they are.

    Siegbert & Judy I
    Participant
    Post count: 61

    David-
    Sorry I meant District for Local shows. Yes, I showed in Canada already and the fish get picked up in US and hand carried over, but no return as Aurelia said.

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