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  • Stephen S
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    I’m sure many are tired of seeing this come up, but I’m not finding the info I’m looking for. Lots of guesswork without real experience or knowledge out there on the web.

    Super (or double) black is melano + black lace (marble) and the females are fertile, yes?

    Does the marble gene have the same effect in black as it does with other phenotypes? Variable density of color?

    What is the standard genotype of super blacks? Are they steel-based like melano? I’d like to start working with them but I’m hesitant to jump into another color without knowing what I’m buying.

    Stacy Fenhaus
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    As far as I know, no one has established a standard genotype for super blacks. I haven’t seen any publications on them either. I know Gene Lucas as done some pondering on them and addressed questions at Convention before.

    The betta world seems to have fallen out of the lime-light with the scientific community in the recent years.., though I have heard rumors that Leo Buss is on the radar again. 🙂

    Just as an aside, have you looked through the Technical Assistance Library for info on melano, black lace, etc? It may give you something to go off of, I know that information is in there.

    Stephen S
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    Yes, I found some info in the TAL. Not as much as I wanted, but enough to figure out where to start. Thanks for reminding me to look there. CS-37 and CS-39 were probably the most helpful. I guess I need to get some melanos and some steel blues and get to work.

    Michael C
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    I heard that adding metallic into the mix resulted in a much darker black. But haven’t yet experimented with it myself.

    Stephen S
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    Update: I have found some interesting info on copper and super black here: https://www.bettysplendens.com/metallics-and-masked.html

    Super black is supposedly copper melano, which makes sense given that they are both steel based. I suspect that’s why I see a fair amount of black and copper fish on aquabid. At least as many as the black and blue ‘orchid’ types. They probably come from the same spawns.

    Stacy Fenhaus
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    Victoria does have some good information on her website. 🙂

    That does make sense, the darkest blacks I’ve seen in my fishroom have always come out of spawns that were metallic (throwing copper and metallic royal blue).

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